Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Start your week smiling with your friends. Kathy's aunt and Michelle Frechette. It's time to get ready for some weekly motivation with WP motivate.
Okay, I don't think I've ever said this on the show before, but happy Tuesday, Kathy.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: Yes, it's taco Tuesday. I wish I had tacos.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: I wish I had tacos.
[00:00:23] Speaker B: I had tacos. I still had time. I still have time to decide about dinner. It's early enough, but it's getting time.
[00:00:31] Speaker A: It's almost 07:00 here, so I'm gonna be pulling a pizza out of the freezer and shove it in the oven for 15 minutes a little bit later. But that's because tomorrow I get in the car and I drive to Ottawa for Wordcamp Canada.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Is it tomorrow? Already out to Ottawa. When does word camp Canada start?
[00:00:46] Speaker A: Thursday. They have a contributor day, and then it's a two day camp after that.
[00:00:50] Speaker B: Wow. Great. That sounds so fun.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Looking forward to it. By the time people hear this, I'll already have tweeted all about it and be home because.
Yeah, but that's why we're recording early, because I won't have time later this week. And we didn't want to miss a week because even if we don't put it out for the world, we like talking to each other.
[00:01:07] Speaker B: Imagine that.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: So if you had to guess one thing about me and this trip, knowing me as you do, you might not guess this. What's one thing you would guess about me and Wordcamp Canada?
And it's a negative.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: A negative.
Well, I already know it's closer to you than New Jersey was.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: True. It's about a four and a half hour drive. Yep.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: Uh, you have a canadian passport, and so getting there is super easy.
[00:01:42] Speaker A: No, that's not a negative. That's. That's a positive. Oh, I don't.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: Yeah, true. I haven't done. I guess I'm just feeling really positive today. So, everybody, you know, I haven't bought your lottery tickets.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: It's Tuesday. I present.
I don't even know which day I'm presenting. I think on Friday, I haven't looked yet. I'm going to be there. It doesn't matter. Right? So. But I haven't started my slides yet.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: Oh, really? Oof.
You know, there's somebody else I just talked to yesterday who's a speaker at word Camp Canada who's also like, I don't know. I might have to. Might have to redo my slide, redo everything, and, like, start from scratch. And I'm like, you can do it, you know, just get up there, wing it, see whatever comes out.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: I also think I might just have one slide with information and that's it. And just talk.
You have to. Have to do it. I'm going to be talking about underrepresented in tech and the journey to amplify others and talk about the history of it, why we started it, why it exists, our hopes for the future, the history of how it started with Ally, and now I'm working with Sama and all of that. So, I mean, I could talk for a long time about that for sure. So maybe no slides this time. Maybe I'll just make people look me in the eye the whole time.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: There you go. Got nothing else to look at, right?
[00:03:01] Speaker A: Look at me, dammit.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: There you go. Yeah, but I was.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Go ahead.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: Sorry.
My husband used to do speaker training for a couple of guys and they were famous at the time and they were using like slides all the time. And so my husband's like, just go up there and talk and don't, don't even think about your slides. Just go up there and talk and be present with the audience and see what happens. It changed their speaker game. This one guy, he was, he wasn't making, he went to Russia with Mark and he got like over $100,000 to just go on this trip to Russia. And I think he had like two or three speaking engagements. $100,000. Like, it changed his whole game to just be present with the audience and not do slides someday.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: I've done that for recorded talks before.
Yeah, and I've done it once on a live, but it was, but always, like, just to my computer. I've never gotten on a stage and talked to that slide. So maybe this is the time. I will report back next week and let you know what I decided.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: Is it going to be live streamed? Do you know?
[00:04:14] Speaker A: I have no idea. But I will tell you, the difference between whether I have slides or not will come down to laziness.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: You're not going to take your wordcamp Phoenix slides and just like duplicate and save it as and change a few things, and then you're just done.
[00:04:34] Speaker A: It's not going to be strategy. It's just going to be like, am I going to get to these or am I nothing? Then that's how it will be decided. So we'll let you know.
But I'll tell you what I have been thinking about a lot lately, and I did tell you this before we started recording, so this is not a surprise to you, but I think about a lot how I think about the WordPress community a lot. Of course, right? Like, I got two cats at home and just me and my phone at night and watching tv is boring. So I'm like, I'm on Twitter a lot, and I'm on LinkedIn and looking at all these things. So I think about our community a lot of, and I think about as robust as the WordPress open source project is, and you're well aware because you did a whole movie about it, there are still a lot of things that aren't included in it.
And that's why I've created some, what I call gap filling projects. Right. So underrepresented in tech is one. WP speakers is one. And WP career pages we start recently started WP Wonder Women. You know, that's newsletters, I don't think, I think are truly gap filling. It's, you know, getting the information out there, that kind of stuff. There's the WP World by Marcus Burnett.
There is WP. I already, I told you that I forgot it. Talk link WP talk link by Javi Gwen Bay which is a way that you can practice speaking languages other than your, you know, your native language with native speakers of those languages.
And so there's a lot of things that we do in our community, and there's a lot of people that are creating some pretty awesome type things.
And then I started thinking about, like, what about, like, community. Community, though, like, outside of WordPress? And what are some things, like, even just in your own family, things that you create and ways that we build community. And I know I talk about TikTok a lot. There's a woman on TikTok who is, like, crazy impressive with the way she's handling the situation.
She bought a new house, and in the pantry are three things on the wall that look like they're so, they're like little shoots, like, on the wall, like vertical trays, if you will, covered a plexiglass, and you can drop something down the top. And then there's this place you can pull things out the bottom, and nobody knows what these things are for. Like, she, like, showed it when she, like, she took a picture of it, and then she made a TikTok about it when she was touring the house. Now she's actually purchased the house. And so people are saying, maybe it's for this, maybe it's for that. And so she's going to the grocery store and buying things like Kit Kat bars. And does the kit Kat bar fit down in there? Batteries and. But the thing is like, it's just flat at the bottom with an opening. So, like, you drop the battery and they roll out. So, no, it wasn't for batteries. And there's 27 of these little shoots. So, like, whatever it's for, it's for 27 varieties of something, right? So of some kind of dispenser. Supposedly tonight or tomorrow comes the reveal because she got in touch with the original homeowners who built that thing, who told her, and actually have video of it. So eventually we're going to see what it is. If I can find that, if I remember, I'll put the video in. People can click through if they want to see this thing.
But when so many people were, like, messaging her and commenting on the video and try this and try that. So she created a Facebook group to have conversation about this thing that within a day had like 3000 members and now has almost. Gosh, I'd have to look at last I checked, it was like 12,000 members.
That's a lot of members.
That's a lot of members.
That's. And everybody in that group is like, wanting to know what's it for? What's it for? And even though that's not a gap filling kind of thing, it's a way that, like, community has built around this weird thing in her cupboard.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:08:30] Speaker A: You just never know where stuff's gonna come.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: Right. Well, people get super curious about something and we're. Can we talk about, like, swifties? My gosh. Because that's like, been my thing for like the past year, since my daughter, she, I don't know. Now she doesn't listen to Taylor Swift anymore, and so I have to talk to her friends. I'm like, did you see what happened? Like, what's wrong with me? But oh, my gosh. Like, now that the algorithms have all figured out. Oh, well, Kathy seems to be interested in this, and there is such a huge community about it, and everybody makes content, like, surrounding it. This woman could have content around her pantry stuff for like years. It could just. Yeah, people get interested in something and it's important. It just takes off on its own.
[00:09:17] Speaker A: She has been. Let me see if I can find it. She has been writing letters to. There it is. The pantry organizer. What is it? Group?
16.2 thousand members of this group. So now, because she definitely understands marketing, she has been writing posts to keep us all informed about when she's going to reveal and things like that.
She says things like this. Dear esteemed readers, like Lady Whistledown in Bridgerton the hour draws near when your final conjectures must be presented, for the much anticipated unveiling of this season's diamond is but an evening away. Your devoted author must now tend to her earthly obligation. And it goes on like that. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. The way she has pulled people together. And people are, like, now saying things like, well, what are we going to do after we know about it? Like, we got to keep this group going. We've, like, got a community here. And I'm like, yes, you do. You absolutely do. And you said swifties, which made me think of something, too. Like, when a community nicknames itself something. Yeah, that is special, right? So, like, swifties, pressers, like, sometimes, like, you hear WordPress people just calling pressers, like, that kind of thing. It's like, that is something special when you can just, like, really narrow it down to, like, this.
The fan club name of something, you know? Like, is it Lady Gaga has the monsters? Her monsters? Something like that.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing, is, like, people want to belong to something, you know? So brands, and I think a lot of marketers think, oh, well, go create the community and go make this thing happen. And it's like, you can't make it happen. You just have to do your best to, like, serve your people, and then that thing will come out of it comes out organically, right? Like, so I used to do one of my things. Cause I used to do, like, the live streams, and my joke was always, even cat blogs get hacked, right? Because everybody's like, oh, my cat blog would never get hacked. And I'm like, even Sally's cat blog get hacked. Sally. And so I created this whole character of Sally and her cat blog, right? And so that just, like, followed me around because people would write me and say, how's Sally doing? You know? I didn't, like, do that. I did it because I felt like it was funny and it was relatable. But then all of a sudden, now it's like, sally's cat blog is my. Like, it's my thing.
[00:11:51] Speaker A: It takes on a life of its own.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: It takes on a life of its own. And of course, now it's on a test server, and I'm playing with a new security thing with it, and it's all messed up.
I gotta go save Sally. Might need her pretty soon. I had to do all these demos for something, and I had to use bodhis website, so it's, like, poor.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: I also think about when people will buy merchandise that actually advertises for you, but they spend the money. Like, you create t shirts. So, like. Like, everybody was drinking or drinking doctor pepper. I was gonna say, like. Like, when the whole doctor pepper song came out in the seventies, like, everybody had ima pepper shirts. They paid for those shirts.
It costs nothing to the company except creating the design. Right. And then I think about that, then there's even tangential markets. So, like, I don't know, maybe, you know, the history of it, but these friendship bracelets at the Taylor Swift concerts, like, I'm not even a swiftie, but I want a bracelet. Like, I want somebody to make me a friendship bracelet, because it just looks. I want to belong to that part of it. Right. Well, think of all the craft stores online and in person are making money hand over fists because people are running out there to make these bracelets. Taylor doesn't see any of that money. I mean, she's not hurting, but she doesn't see any of that money. But she's created something that people want to belong so badly that they not only buy her merch, but they create their own.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: Right? Oh, I look one of the coolest. I don't even know how the friendship was. Things started, but one of the coolest things that I've seen is front house doormats that said, you better like Taylor Swift and wine.
So cute and so funny. I would do something like that, but, you know.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: Don't want anybody to, you know, have any high expectations of entertainment.
[00:13:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the flip side of it is, when you're that big, you also have a bunch of haters. And there's people that are tracking. There's a guy that, like, has been sent a cease and desist letter because he was tracking her every flight to know where she took off and landed. You remember that whole debacle? Yeah.
All of that, you know, and then the people who get mad that she's got a private jet and she's. She has to. She'd be mobbed in an airport.
[00:14:14] Speaker B: Like, she'd never get.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh, she'd never be able to get on a plane, you know, so, like, there's just a lot of people. There are haters in the world, for sure. I like some of her music. I'm not a swiftie just because I don't really listen to the radio that much, so I never hear new stuff.
It's a Broadway in the car. I'm sorry. I'm that girl. I'm not. I'm that nerdy girl, but I don't hate her. I just, like, almost like, well, I want to start listening so that I can belong too, you know, kind of thing.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what people want.
[00:14:42] Speaker A: They want to.
[00:14:43] Speaker B: They want to belong and they want to have some kind of, like, shared, like inside secret or inside story with people. And I, there was somebody I was watching, I think, Chris Doe, he speaks and writes and teaches about branding and design mostly. And he was talking about Nike and how just how the brand developed. And the one thing that he noted was that the company doesn't own the brand.
The people, the fans, the customers, they own the brand. And if the owners of the company want to take something in a different direction, they better watch out because that is not theirs to take in a different direction. You know, like, new coke.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: New coke.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: New coke. But think about it, because we've been witness to a number of rebrands around our world, and nobody really asks. So the question, like, what was it about the brand that that kind of, like, blew it up to begin with? Right? I mean, I have my own ideas about certain things that get rebranded and stuff, but it's not yours to rebrand unless you ask your customers and really understand, like, what's going on there. It's not something that gets done behind closed doors with a couple of people who are like, well, we like this name because of how it just vibes with, you know, whatever. I'm getting too specific.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: So, like, well, woocommerce rebranded last fall to woo. Right?
[00:16:14] Speaker B: I was involved with that one.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: I wasn't either. And then did an about face. I was like, nope, we're going back to woocommerce. And people were like, wait, what? And it was like, well, we lost traffic. Well, yeah, of course you did. You didn't just rebrand. You completely changed the name of it in a way. Like, just because people call it woo doesn't mean it isn't still woocommerce that they're searching for.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: Woo means so much, you know, I mean, Mount Shasta. Woo. Woo. You know, all this. There's something called woo means a lot of different things. It's. You can't.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: Did you ever hear the phrase pitching woo?
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Pitching woo? No.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: So that's like an old, like, turn of the last century terminology, pitching woo. Like we would say making out. Like, oh, and then I, you know, really, I met this guy and we made out. Like they, like, oh, we pitched woo. Like, I don't know where it came from, but I, that's another way, you know? And then there's making whoopee, I think, came from pitching woo. Like, turned into that. So, yeah, so there's like, there's definitely a lot of definitions for woo.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm just going to stay in my Gen X lane and.
Yeah, no, I've had to learn, like, the Gen Z or whatever. My daughter is like, that language that's a whole, like, they should just start their own country at this point because I don't understand any of this stuff.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: You know, like how giving the thumbs up is a bad thing now instead of a good thing we talked about before.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: Yeah. She says that it's not with her friends group, but that doesn't mean that some friends group, like the ones that, you know. So it doesn't necessarily mean anything because there's a whole bunch of stuff that I know is just very specific to.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. There's articles online about it. If people want to see, though, about how like this, you know, it's like now it went from being. Yes to. Mm hmm. Like, it changed its timbre, if you will.
[00:18:02] Speaker B: Interesting.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: Very interesting. Yeah. But, yeah, I just, I love, I love our little projects. I love the way that community is predictable and yet unpredictable if you don't understand how to look at it and how to anticipate it.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I think community comes from two things. Like if you see an opera, if you see an opportunity, just go give.
Don't try to make it something, don't try to curate it and put it into a little box. Don't put together a community strategy. All of that stuff is going to make you just look like a wanker.
Just, I just felt like using that word, it's good. It's just not going to work. Right. Because it's just tone deaf. You don't go find a place to be of service and to help someone and then have fun doing it, and then the magic starts happening. But I hear all of this, like, what's your community strategy or what, you know, all of the stuff, and it's like, you know what my community strategy is? Go find somebody who needs some help and have some fun helping them, period.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it.
[00:19:15] Speaker B: And it will happen on its own. Have fun and help people. And that's really it.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: I think you nailed it. Community comes from good intentions.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It does not come from a, you know, you can have it in your business plan, but as soon as you start strategizing about it, you. You're dead. You're dead in the water. You're dead on arrival. It's just never gonna strategize any.
Remember?
Was it will ferrell? Making fun of George W. Bush strategy.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: Just caught me off guard.
I love it.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Back when Saturday Night Live was fun.
[00:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I haven't watched it in years now, but I'm not part of their community anymore. I love that community.
[00:20:09] Speaker B: It's on. Too late for me. I'll just watch the reruns of stuff when it's worth watching.
[00:20:14] Speaker A: I'll see the shorts on TikTok.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: If it rises to my for you page, then I must. Then it must have been good.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my mom asked me, what television, what tv show does my daughter like to watch? And I'm like, we don't have tv. And we haven't for, like, a decade and a half. Like, we haven't had tv. We had tv for a little while, but then somebody kept putting politics on, so I was like, turn that off. So we would add tv for, like, ever. She and the kids never, I don't know. My kids have ever watched, like, actual, like, commercial television. Like, what, what tv do kids watch?
[00:20:54] Speaker A: Like, I don't know.
[00:20:57] Speaker B: Like, I don't think my kid understands that. You know, we had to, like, we had to wait for our show to come on on Saturday night at 07:00 p.m. you know, you're not getting any love boat until it comes on. Or, like, sitting, sitting in front, in front of the radio because I got a song stuck in my head and I'm hoping they're going to play it.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: I'm going to hit record on my tape recorder when it comes on the radio, and I hope they don't talk over it. Don't talk over the start of the end of the. No, they heard it. Yes, I remember.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: We have. So, we had so many tapes when I was a kid of my brother and I. I'm taping over the sun.
We'd be listening to it.
You'd hear all this noise in the background. And then I'm taping, of course, because we're doing it in the middle of, like, the high traffic areas because there was no hiding anywhere in the house.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: It's funny to think of the things that we didn't have that kids now take for granted. Like, you know, I know that people who are listening to this are not watching me do this.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: I'll explain.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: But our generation, when you say somebody like, pantomime, what a phone looks like, we make like a y with our hands and hold it up like the old receiver. If you ask a child today. Yeah. They literally put their hand, like. Like, just their palm, like, next to their hand, because their phone does not do this. It does this. So they have, like, the straight hand right next to their face. It's like, no, that's not a phone, I guess. Well, yes, it is, kind of thing.
[00:22:32] Speaker B: But they'll never know the. They'll never know the stress of a cord and, like, trying to have a private conversation, that cord. Until all the curls got all messed up. And then your mom yells at you about that, and you're hiding in the closet, whispering, trying to talk so your parents can't hear you.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Mom, can we get a longer phone cord? And back in the early days, you'd have to go to the phone store that you couldn't. There was no Walmart. Like, there was Kmart, and then there was the mall stores, but nobody sold phone cords. Like, you literally shack. Oh, yeah, that's true. But, like, my mom would just go to the a and t and replace the parts for the phone, you know?
[00:23:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. We suffered. So. I have no idea. I was just happy. Like, we literally had the, like, you know, the dial thing. All my friends had the push buttons. I'm like, can we just get a push button phone like, the rest of humanity? That one's just fine. And then my mom used to. We had this kitchen cabinet, and it was over the phone, and she would just write phone numbers on the inside of the cabinet. So it was just, like, there was a calendar and then phone numbers. Right. And so sometimes you'd have to, like, move the calendar to find someone. Like, why can't we use, like, a phone book, like normal people? Like, you know, it's just, why do we have a written in permanent marker on the kitchen cabinet? Like, what are we. This is in Arkansas.
Not that I'm making fun of Arkansas. Arkansas is different. Back then, we used to make fun of Arkansas all the time.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: So I turned 16, and my grandmother, who used to work for at and t, sent me the yellow banana phone. You know, the one that looked like a circle. Like, we called them the banana phone. And my mother put a line into my bedroom. Now, it wasn't a separate line, right? It was the regular house phone, right. But I had a phone in my bedroom, and now kids are like, so I've got one in my pocket. But back then, that was a big deal.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: That was a big deal. I never had that.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: We also had a doctor.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: I actually got one of those, like, super long cords, and my parents had a phone jack in their closet. And so I ran that outside on the roof. Like, what am I doing on the roof as a little kid?
[00:24:50] Speaker A: Getting privacy.
[00:24:52] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. But I ran that outside through the. And they never even noticed because it was like my dad's clothes and it was all on the way. And so ran that out, and then I ran it into my room from the outside.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: I had to do that.
Oh, my goodness. How funny.
[00:25:09] Speaker B: Hose water and neglect. Hose water and neglect. Welcome to Gen X.
Yeah, yeah. Wait, no podcast about Gen X. It's going to be called hose water and neglect. If nobody's stolen that already, but.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: And babysitting your siblings. I was the oldest. I always got stuck babysitting my siblings.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: Yeah, hated that. I think my brother was three days old when my mom was like, here you go. You got a baby brother.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: Good luck.
Let me show you how to. I'm gonna. I'm gonna show you how to change a diaper once.
Don't stick it with the pins, because that's what we had to do back then. It was all pinsd. Even when they came out with pampers. You had to pin the pampers when they first came out with pampers. Oh, my God. Don't poke him. Let me show you how. Show you once.
[00:25:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And then pretty much after that, my mom was like, you know, watching the anjuli commercial and was like, bring home the bacon.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: I fry it up in a pan, and never. Man.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: She was like, latchkey kid. Here you go. Here's the key. There's the latch. Good luck.
There's the hose. You don't have to drink from the hose anymore. You can drink on the inside. Watch your brothers.
[00:26:26] Speaker A: I am looking for something of my earliest memory. I wrote. I made a book for my mom years ago of little essays and poetry that I wrote, and this is just a very brief one I have to share with you now, because I just thought of it as we were talking about this. So it's called my earliest memory. The earliest memory I can recall is standing in a crib in a small room, watching my mother change my baby brother's diaper. The room had white walls, but with an orangey cast to them from the spring loaded window shade. The door opened onto the hall. I remember standing there holding the crib rail to support me, watching as my mom first undiapered rob, then prepared to diaper him. Somewhere in the middle, he became a human water fountain. I remember watching my mother put her hand over the stream of warm pee to keep it from going all over her and the room. Yes. My earliest memory is my mother caring for her children and my brother, the human geyser.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh, that is so funny.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: Remember spring loaded window shades?
[00:27:29] Speaker B: Yep.
Oh, my gosh.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: I had to be.
[00:27:35] Speaker B: I've lived long enough to see. See humanity now and not have that be, like, my only reincarnational dramas.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: I actually have. I have motors on the window blinds in my living room, and they're automatically open and closed during the day for the cats without me having to go climb over things and, you know, hurt myself way past the days of, oh, shit. I pulled it too hard and I broke the. Broke the. What do you call those? The spring mechanism in those old ones.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: But, yeah, I still have some of those upstairs.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: Not.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: Not thrilled.
[00:28:15] Speaker A: And then the sun would bake them at some point like the older ones, and they'd start to crack over time and tear, and your mom would get mad. He's like, I didn't do it.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: It was the sun. It wasn't me.
[00:28:28] Speaker A: Oh. Anyway.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Oh. But what if it was? What if it was. Gosh. Yeah.
[00:28:33] Speaker A: The wooden spoon.
If I did it, I got the wooden spoon.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: You know, we all know if you're Gen X, you know what the wooden spoon is if you're younger.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Google it. Yeah. Never really got the wooden spoon out. It was all. It was always, wait till your dad gets home. And then it was belt.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: My dad traveled too much, so mom had the wooden spoon and she. She would say, don't make me get the wooden spoon.
Okay. Yeah, it left marks, too. It absolutely left marks. But, yeah, fun, fun times.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: Fun times. Yes, thank God.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: Right? For sure.
And the ability to move on.
[00:29:19] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Exactly.
Yeah.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: What did you say? Hose water and neglect.
[00:29:27] Speaker B: Hose water and neglect, yeah.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: You could write your memoir and call it that, too.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: It might need to trademark that. Now.
[00:29:36] Speaker A: I think you should go saying it. I'm like, I like, I'm not going to take it. It's yours, but I really like it.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: It's good. I think I'd got it from somewhere, probably. There's tons of Gen X, you know, cranky Gen Xers, like, leave us out of your battle with the boomers.
[00:29:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:53] Speaker B: My husband's old enough to be a boo. He's much older than me, so he's a boomer. And he's like, stop calling me that. I'm like, but jar.
[00:30:01] Speaker A: You fit those years there, buddy.
[00:30:04] Speaker B: Yep, yep. You sure do. Yup. Born before the Kennedy assassination, so therefore a boomer. And he gets pretty angry about it. I think he identifies as a gen xer. Like, too bad.
[00:30:18] Speaker A: It's funny to me, like, when 40 year olds call themselves Gen X, and I'm like, oh, but no, nice try. No, you. You did not do the things we. You were. You're the latchkey kids. I get it. You know, we were latchkey. You're Latchkey. But no, no, you are not. You're not a Gen X. We. We are very special.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Completely different world.
[00:30:42] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:30:45] Speaker B: Would not. Would not change it for the world. Glad. I thought I survived those years.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: And it's who. What? Good or bad, it's made me who I am today. So I'll take it.
[00:30:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: And we did survive, which is a very good thing.
Anyway, we've been rambling a while. We should probably wrap this up.
[00:31:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It actually is time for dinner. Now I have to. Now I really have to decide. And Claire's texting me asking for chipotle. So I guess it is taco Tuesday.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: I'm jealous. Enjoy your tacos. I will catch you on the flip side of Wordcamp Canada. Everybody else, enjoy your great time. Thank you. We'll see everybody next week. Bye bye.
This has been Wp. Motivate with Kathy's aunt and Michelle Frechette. To learn more or to sponsor us, go to wpmotivate.com.
