Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Start your week smiling with your friends. Kathy's aunt and Michelle Frechette. It's time to get ready for some weekly motivation with WP motivate.
Happy Thursday. Happy Thursday, Kathy.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: It is Thursday.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: It is Thursday.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: Happy Thursday.
My hair is doing nice things today.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: So we'll have happy hair. You have happy hair today, too.
[00:00:26] Speaker B: Happy hair Thursday. Yes, exactly.
[00:00:29] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. Yeah. How are you?
[00:00:32] Speaker B: I'm doing well. And how are you?
[00:00:35] Speaker A: I've got a lot going on right now, so just by sheer volume of the things and the pressures on me, I am having a huge anxiety day. But I'm powering through it, which is a good thing. Right. So I'll get through it. Good. I'm purchasing my condo tomorrow. Like, the condo that I live in and I've lived in for three years is being purchased tomorrow. And I've never purchased a home by myself before.
And so a lot of anxiety comes with that. But I will get through it, and then I will drink champagne and toast to my single hood of accomplishment and doing things on my own that I never thought I could do before. So there you go.
[00:01:15] Speaker B: Awesome.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: That's great.
[00:01:17] Speaker B: Congratulations. Thank you as well.
[00:01:20] Speaker A: I appreciate it. Everybody that's listening right now, this is your opportunity. Toast me tomorrow. Have a drink.
If you drink, get a little tipsy, whatever. It's going to be a Friday, and so, yeah, do whatever you got to do.
But I wanted to talk today about vulnerability because I think, especially as women. Right. I think everybody, for sure, when I say I'm speaking as women, because that's what I am. That's where my experience comes. But I think, especially as women in business, we feel like we have to put on this.
This brave. Not brave facade, but, like, polished facade. Like, we always have to look like. Yeah, like that whole idea. Like, be cool like the duck but paddle like crazy underneath. You know? Like, you see a duck move just so gracefully across the water, but their little feet are going, like, underneath to paddle them forward, right.
[00:02:14] Speaker B: That.
[00:02:15] Speaker A: I feel like we have to look like the duck, but we have to work our mother effing legs underneath there to get wherever we're going.
And so that means that sometimes we hide our vulnerabilities, right? Like, they're, like, we're human. We have vulnerabilities, but it's hard for us to show them because things, like, get put. Well, she's emotional. Cause she's a woman. Or, gosh, she must be on her period. Or all of those stupid things that men say to excuse and put us down for our behaviors when men are also vulnerable, men get emotional. It's just that I cry and they punch a hole in the wall. Now, those are extremes. I know not every man has punched a hole in a wall, but like, like, that's, that's kind of the extremes of it.
So I want to talk about a story, something that happened over the last month, and share with you, and then I know you'll have some things to say about it, too. So I, as everybody knows, I'm part of underrepresented attack. And we have a podcast, and we also have a newsletter that we put out every month.
And next month, Sama is going to take over the newsletter like we do every other month. I mean, so she'll do next month. But I didn't want to dump everything on her in her first month of contributing to the podcast and the project. So I did the newsletter. I did the one last month where I had like a picture blacked out, like, because I hadn't announced who she was. Like, you'll have to tune in and all this stuff. Well, I get an email after I sign up the newsletter last month. I'm just going to read part of it. I wanted to let you know that your newsletter isn't accessible today. It was the first one. And yes, it has all the headings distinguishing the chapters, but all images are unlabeled. And overall, there are a lot of capital, meaningless links like learn more, click here are similar a site. And that's one thing, right? Like, that was good feedback. And then here's the part where I felt indicted, right? A site wanting to represent underrepresented people should be the best accessible example for what concerns web content accessibility guidelines in its products. And then this person goes on to say, I'm sorry for this feedback, but I would feel more welcome in a more accessible environment.
And I did reply to her and say, I welcome the feedback. I didn't say the part that's so hard to hear because I don't want to be the person that's doing those things, right. But I will endeavor to do better. And after next month's newsletter, please feel free to let me know to, if, you know, if I've still missed the mark.
So when I put out the newsletter this week, I think it was last Thursday or Friday, I took a big deep breath and I fine tooth combed that thing like there was no, like, read mores. There wasn't any click. Here's every single image had an incredibly descriptive, you know, alt text on it so that no matter where you landed in that whole newsletter, nothing should be inaccessible to you.
And so I replied to the person, I guess it was March. No?
Yeah, whatever. Whatever day it was, I don't remember. I'm looking like March 23. No, it was in Italian. So it was on April 23, which was just Monday, right? Or Tuesday. I said, we just sent out the April newsletter. I focused on the feedback you gave us last month. I hope you find it more accessible, but please let me know if I missed anything. We will continue to strive to be accessible. And they replied back and said, it's much better now. Let's keep in touch. And so I said, excellent. Thanks for holding me. Thanks for holding me accountable. I'm always trying to do better, and progress makes perfect. Well, eventually, but. And that was that felt vulnerable just to have that conversation, right? Like, that was one of those things that just, that in and of itself felt.
Definitely felt like a vulnerable thing. But I thought, you know what?
If I really want to help others do better, which, as you know, is one of those things that I like to do, I tweeted about it. So I went to Twitter and I said, last month, I sent out a newsletter that wasn't as accessible as it could and should have been. I got a note from a blind woman who told me what I needed to do better this month. She told me it was better. And I told her, I keep trying and to keep holding me accountable.
And that tweet has over 1300 views. It's been liked 69 times retweeted and seven comments under it where people comment and say that they need to do better and are there any tips that I could share? And thanks for the reminder. And they've discovered that some of their social accounts, the way that they're posting, doesn't have accessibility built into it, and what could they do to do better?
And so I thought, I kind of hate tweeting that I effed up, right? Like, look, I made a big mistake. Everybody look at how much I am not that polished person that everybody expects us to be online.
But in doing so, all of these other people have been reminded that accessibility matters. And some people have sought guidance on how to do accessibility better. And so in certain situations, I'm not saying be vulnerable about everything, everywhere online, because I don't think everybody wants to read about everything in your life either.
But when you can choose to be vulnerable about things that matter and can help others, I think it's a good thing. And I wondered your thoughts on that.
[00:07:55] Speaker B: I agree. I had to mute myself because the dog is, like, right here. I don't know if you heard him.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: No, I didn't.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: He's having, uh, he's having puppy dreams. Golden retriever puppy dreams. So cute. Being a little loud.
So that's what that was. If anybody heard it. I did try, but, yeah, I think vulnerability, being honest about who you are. First of all, not being honest about who you are is, like, lying.
It's a lie, right? You're trying to, like, whitewash and pretend your life is perfect and pretend like you don't have problems or you don't have issues or everything just always, well, everything always does work out for people, but, like, trying to pretend that you're not feeling the heaviness of something is a lie and it's just. It's just such a weight. Like, why, like, why carry the lie? Why carry the charade? The charade of pretend that. That life is different than it is, where, you know, I mean, some people have said that, you know, all the crap that I've been through, that I am stoic about it or that I.
I'm very honest about it.
[00:09:11] Speaker A: And.
[00:09:11] Speaker B: And I have had my moments where it has been a very long time since I have dropped to my knees crying, why me? It's been a long time. I have had those moments, though. But everything's just temporary. It's temporary. So why make such a big deal about pretending it doesn't exist? Like, be okay with it now? I don't like when life is heavy. I had some heavy moments this week. Blame the full moon.
I didn't go to social media with it because I knew, first of all, I knew it was like, full moon.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: I know.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: Like, I'll probably feel better in the morning after a sleep. The stupid moon. Probably crazy people everywhere, too. So I just kind of, like, dealt with it and just kind of meditated on it. And I sure enough, I felt better the next day, so I didn't want to, like, go out and, like, like, I don't think we, like, Twitter isn't therapy. It's not the right place, or no.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: Matter how many times people try to treat it that way. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: But once you've had a chance to really, like, go through an experience and say, okay, well, this happened, and here's.
[00:10:16] Speaker A: My response to it. Like.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: Like, I think the way you handled all of that was, like, very, like, this is the experience. This is. This is how I experienced this.
Once you've gone through it and you can kind of do retrospect on it when you're not in the thing of the emotions with something and you can really be of service with it. I think it's, it's a service to other people to be really honest about what it is we go through. And to be honest, like, you know, hey, this thing happened. And being vulnerable, I can't remember. I know.
Brene Brown. Is that her name?
[00:10:54] Speaker A: Brene?
[00:10:57] Speaker B: She has that one. Ted, talk about vulnerability.
And I can't remember like, the crux of it, like, like what was. But I've just known, like, just being really honest about who I am and what I've, what I've gone through in my life.
You know, I just did a video for the work YouTube channel. And it's about procrastination because for no reason whatsoever, I waited until April 14 to do my taxes. I had all the numbers. I kind of knew what we were, the way things were going to go, plus or -1000 I'm like, I could have sat down anytime between January 31 to April 14. I could have sat down anytime to do it. Why did I wait to the last minute when I had other things to do?
I contemplated about that. And then, you know, I'm dealing with all the stuff around the house and there's lots of stuff I'm procrastinating on. And so I really wanted to, like, talk about how we get motivated to get through some of that stuff. So I'm like, all right, let me think through how this works with, like, motivation code and stuff. And how do I be of service? And I used myself as an example. I talked about not getting my taxes done until the last, until the absolute last minute, which is like, you know, makes no sense whatsoever. I talk about, like, the garage books and everything I've got to go through. I talk about, like, at the end, I talked about, like, being like, knowing yourself, like, going through procrastination. And dealing with procrastination is an exercise in better knowing yourself because it's going to bring up perfectionism. It's going to bring up hard things, you know, like when a loved one passes and you, I mean, you went through that with, when your dad passed, you had to go through all of this stuff and just the weight of all of those memories. I'm like, okay, this is very personal, but I'm still going to put it out there and I'm just going to do it on the work channel because I do believe in what motivation code can do for people. And so I just did that. And it's very vulnerable. And I, I edited out just a tiny little bit of it because, not because I was trying to like whitewash it, but because I felt like it was repetitive.
But I just like, now I'm done, I'll never watch that video again. Hopefully it helps somebody else, but I'm never going to talk about that again. It's just like, I'll work through it, but hopefully me being vulnerable help someone.
[00:13:26] Speaker A: Exactly.
I had a one on one meeting with somebody yesterday who wanted my input on a particular situation. And this is somebody that I don't know well. This is somebody who I met at a word camp six years ago, maybe, who literally reached out to say, can I get your take on something? Send her my calendar link. And she basically, the flowery language and how much she admires me and the things that I do, it was humbling, for sure, right?
But it also made me think of the fact that if people think of you, when you have a large position in the community, as somebody who does things so perfectly all the time, it is beneficial to show people that you fuck up sometimes too, that you are not perfect, that you strive to do things to help other people all the time and to do the best for your company and to do the best for your job and for your family and all of those things, but that we're not perfect people, that we make mistakes. And if it's okay for me to make a mistake and be public about it, you should be okay to make a mistake too.
[00:14:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: So even at the very basic, to just show that no matter who you are, you are a human being who makes mistakes. When I was in college, I'll never forget, like I was, what, 1718. I was 18 years old when I went to college. And the president of the college in my brain was akin to the president of the United States. Like, this was this person that sits up on this dais and inaccessible and I couldn't, like, maybe if I, like, tried really hard, I could get a plan with the president of the college. But that's not somebody that a student goes and is able to talk to, right?
I went to the grocery store in town and he was checking out at the grocery store right in line ahead of me. And that was such a leveling moment for me that as I'm buying bread, so is the president of the college buying bread right in front of me. And I thought, and this is so disgusting, I guess, but I thought to myself at that particular moment, I bet he gets diarrhea too. Like diarrhea is the. Is like the most human basic experience that you can be like, I can't even leave my house right now, my stomach is so bad. And like, if the president of the college can get diarrhea because we all get it, right, I mean, we've all had it, then that is like the most like equalizing thing that I could think of. And that's when I realized that people are people. We hold different positions, we hold different authorities, and we definitely hold different responsibilities. But at the most basic level, we're all born. At some point in our lives we have diarrhea and then at some point we die. And that's like, that's it, right? So I probably should have just stayed with the buying bread thing, but you, you know what I'm saying?
[00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. I remember like seeing teachers, like, they're out of context. That happened to Claire too, and she was just mortified. And I just, like, when we lived in this, in Shasta, we lived in the small town that was to the kids because it's like, it's 3000 people in a town. You're going to see the teacher at the grocery store. It's like, it's going to happen. And they would just be mortified that the teacher would be there. Like, how could, how could they even. They're not allowed to be human.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: Aren't they required to be there all the time?
Exactly.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: They're basically on lockdown for the rest of their lives.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: Funny to me, though, but it's true.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: It's like, well, and you think about, you know, my husband worked, when he was working, worked with a lot of celebrities and people in, people in the public eye. And so I was exposed to a lot of people who, you know, movie stars, rock stars, whatever. And they were all just people too. And the funny thing is they were all, they all had problems, too.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: You know, they all like got pissed off for no reason. They all did things that they all still had, like their patterns that were, that they needed help with.
And so, like, like Milo.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: Hold on one.
[00:18:01] Speaker B: Let me just.
He's mad at the cat.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: He's mad at the cat.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: I'm gonna have to.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: That's so funny.
I have a brand new chair and my cats have decided that they like to sleep in it. And I, I had to use like seven of those tearaway sheets on the lint roller to literally clean the chair that I've had for one week. So I understand.
[00:18:27] Speaker B: It's like a zoo. We've got naps over here. And then I just switched the cat's food. And so they're all a little, like, spunkier.
[00:18:36] Speaker A: They're like. Like, what's going on? I'm feeling better now.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: I'm not going to throw up on the floor anymore. This is great. I'm feeling great. Like, maybe I could even go outside. The dogs get to do that. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think so. But they've been, like, a little bit on the spicy side because they have more energy now. And so the dachshund is not used to that. He's like, what is up with her? Especially the older cat just despises the dachshund. The dachshund takes a personal affront to that. So just the fact that she's walking by, he's like, you know, raising the alarm. Well, that's. I mean, he's cute, but they bark and get. They're just spicy dogs. So where's the golden? Is he never.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: They're just chill. Golden's are chill.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: Yeah. But point being, you know, everybody's. Everybody's got their. Everybody's got their stuff.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: Celebrities.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: They are human. Guess what celebrities do you remember that japanese book was a kid's book called Everybody poops?
[00:19:38] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: So that's like, my thing is, like, celebrities poop, too.
They are not perfect. And everybody's like, oh, Taylor Swift.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: You know?
[00:19:52] Speaker B: Like, yes, I had mad respect for the music, mad respect for what she's built for herself. I respect, like, what she's done. Many people who are in the public eye, I respect them, but I don't. I don't play the game of fawning over. I cannot be a sycophant. I'm just.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: No, because every piece of food that she eats has to come out at some point. And so that makes her human, too.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: It does, yeah. And, you know, that happens in so many places, like, in organizations. You'll get like, oh, well, like, everybody's, like, fighting over, like, a CEO or a leader or whatever, and just like, oh. Like, so and so is so cool. Like, and it's just like, they are also human.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: Guess what?
[00:20:39] Speaker B: They poop, too. Your boss. Your boss poops, too. Your boss has problems. Your boss probably goes to therapy. Everybody has it. But then there's, like, this whole thing of, like, you know, let's pretend we're perfect and everything is fine, and every twitter message is like, me, you know, at the living, the peak of my life. It's just like, I know that's not true.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: Exactly.
You do. And you pee, and you've probably vomited.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: And diarrhea. Diarrhea that's not going to be the title of this episode.
[00:21:14] Speaker A: No, no, no. Please, though.
Everybody poops. No, everybody poops. We'll come up with a good title for it. By the time this is published, you all have seen that that's not what we chose.
Or maybe it is. I don't know.
I hope not leaving that in your capable hands, Cathy.
[00:21:36] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:21:37] Speaker A: Yeah, but, yeah, but I mean, the vulnerability has its place.
It does.
I cringe at some people, at the way some people choose to display their vulnerability.
Things that I've seen in social media, things that I think, oh, honey, you should have kept that to yourself. But it didn't benefit me. But that doesn't mean that perhaps it didn't help somebody else out or at the very least help the person who posted. Like, they're welcome to post their thoughts and things that help them move forward in life, but, yeah, I think there is an art to it, for sure.
[00:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, speaking of, I mean, if you look at Taylor Swift, like, her album, I listened to it last week, that was like, one of my projects for the weekend, is like, okay, I'll listen to this. And there's a lot of vulnerability and a lot of, like, really raw language and a really, really raw emotions that she was dealing with in.
And she took those negative experiences and she turned them into art and then goes out and is living her perfect life. So she's being vulnerable, but she's controlling the narrative of how she's vulnerable. And I can have some respect for that because she is explaining that she has gone through difficult things and, you know, that she cries and that she's happy and that she, she's human like all of the rest of us. But then, you know, when she's, when she's selling, I guess she's, she's controlling the narrative of how, how her vulnerability. And I don't see anything wrong with that. I mean, I would hate for.
If I were a celebrity and, like, I don't know what people magazine, like, controlled the narrative of what's going on.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: Right. Yeah.
[00:23:40] Speaker B: Like, no, I would like, I'll share my vulnerability the way, the way it's comfortable for me. So I think it's really important to not, like, to really be cognizant of, like, how you're sharing and what your intent is and sharing it if it's your art, if it's there to help people. I love the way she's like, this was my story. Like, the whole album, like, ends with the song, the manuscript. Like, she'll read the manuscript, but it's not her story anymore. Like, this is all stuff up that happened to her in the past, you know, just like me was. I put out those work video, and it's just like, I'll never look at that again. I hope somebody. It's not my story anymore. You know, as soon as you tell your story, it becomes the story of whoever consumes that content, whoever is listening to that music or watching the video or reading what you've written. Whatever vulnerability you're sharing as you're sharing it, and the creation of the art, yes, it's yours. But then once you publish, once you put it out there for the world, it's not yours anymore. It becomes everybody else's.
[00:24:38] Speaker A: I agree. That's true. And you. You no longer control how people consume it, how they hear it, what they think about it. It's. It's out there. And others can take from it what they will, for sure.
For example, I was just looking for tissues, if you saw me, like, digging through bags and everything on the screen. My vulnerability at this particular moment in time is my nose is running and I don't have any tissues in my office at all. And I've been looking, but. Just gonna sniffle, I guess. But, yeah, we don't. We can't control how other people see us, but we can at least control what we say and what we put out in the world. And, you know, thankfully, the woman who emailed me about that newsletter didn't do it on Twitter. She could have called me out publicly, which I still would have been receptive, but it wouldn't have given me an opportunity to reflect and respond if she had done that publicly, as opposed to now, I was able to reflect, correct, and respond, and then share the story from beginning to end, or, you know, ongoing, of course, but, like, from being called out to what the corrective action was and the feedback after that, which is a much better narrative and much more, I think, edifying for other people to be able to learn the whole process as opposed to just calling somebody out and not having an opportunity to. To make a correction for it. So, anyway, so those are my thoughts. But, yeah, you know, it's also. You have to have a comfort level with what you share and how you show that vulnerability. And I think that there's a level of maturity that comes with that. I don't mean age, right? Like, sometimes maturity comes with age, and sometimes you're mature at nine years old. Right. Like, it's. It just depends. But there's a certain level of self reflection and maturity to be able to share vulnerability in a very positive and growth mindset way, if that makes sense.
[00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, the intent by which you share it, I think is really important. Are you sharing it cathartically? Are you sharing it with the intent of helping someone else? Because whatever you just went through, there's going to be other people who are coming along who are going to go through it, too.
[00:26:53] Speaker A: Mm hmm.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: Being able to help other people. I mean, that's what we're all about anyway.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: Exactly. If you can learn from my mistakes and don't have to learn from your own, more power to.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Kind of makes it easier to, like, go through all the hard stuff when it's like, okay, well, I'm gonna turn this experience into something that helps someone else. Someone else, exactly.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: There's a lesson here, and I can share it.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: And hopefully, Jules, in my crown. That's what I say.
I'm gonna get jewels in my crown. I don't know what color my crown's going to be. He's going to be that pink crown that Michelle got me, but jewels in my crown.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: Cathy, you're going to have so many jewels in your crown that you won't be able to hold your head up.
Yeah.
[00:27:35] Speaker B: See, I wonder. It's like, am I doing this, like, paying it forward into some kind of, like, future reward or. What the heck did I do in a past life that I got to do that?
[00:27:43] Speaker A: What am I doing, really?
I'm sorry.
Oh, gosh. I never thought of it that way. Maybe I was such a bitch in a past life, but I'm making up for it now.
I choose to. I choose to believe that's not true.
But who knows?
[00:28:03] Speaker B: I was mean to an annoying kid in second grade. He was pretty annoying, and I was mean to him. Maybe it's all that.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: Please forgive me.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: I'm so sorry.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: I'd fall if I didn't.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: If I only knew. So, kids, be nice to your classmates.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: You never know if you'll end up.
[00:28:19] Speaker B: With a stroke patient in your bedroom, that is.
[00:28:23] Speaker A: Yeah, let's hope not. But it does happen. It happened to you.
There is a folk artist named Deirdre Flint. I'm going to send you a link later. But she has such amazing. It's like she's not only just a folk artist, but she's a humorous folk artist. Like, she has a song called the Boob Fairy and how, like, she's flat chested and the boob fairy never came for her. And, like, she has another one about being a cheerleader and things like that and how she was never a cheerleader except in her dreams, and she has one called past life regressed. And she's like, everybody was Cleopatra in their past life. Yeah, but she was mugwart, so, like, the whole idea.
So I'll post the link to that. If I can find a YouTube or something. I'll post that in the show notes as well. But, yeah, well, whatever your vulnerability is out there, whether you choose to share it or not, I hope it's a growth opportunity for you, as I'm finding mine to be for me.
And that if you have an opportunity to share to help somebody else's life maybe a little bit better, that you are confident enough in yourself to be able to do that. So, yeah, thanks for listening. Thank you, Kathy, for always listening. I appreciate it.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: Thanks for showing up. And this is just so much fun. So it is.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: We only have at least one listener because they tweeted us about us this week. So, Mike, if you're listening, shout out to you for hanging in there.
[00:29:48] Speaker B: Yeah, shout out to Mike. Mike Hindle. He's one of our. One of our people. And, like, I'm talking about cadence. Like, I'm still.
[00:29:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, it's still.
[00:29:59] Speaker B: I still am.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: You are.
[00:30:02] Speaker B: I still am a cadence person. I think once a cadence person, you're always a cadence person. It's just such a good community, so. Yeah.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:09] Speaker B: So shout out to all of you cadence people, and especially my stellar people and post status people and all of the. All the brands we wrap.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Yes, exactly.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: Your list is longer than mine because.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: I still work a seller. Anyway, we hope everybody has a great week, and we'll see you next week, where we'll get up to some other shenanigans and hopefully, maybe not about diarrhea, but we'll see. We'll see. There's no guarantee. Anyway, bye bye.
This has been Wp. Motivate with Kathy's aunt and Michelle Frechette. To learn more or to sponsor us, go to wpmotivate.com.
