Resourcefulness and Greatness from Humble Beginnings

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Start your week smiling with your friends Kathy Zant and Michelle Frichette. It's time to get ready for some weekly motivation with WP motivate. Happy Friday, Kathy. [00:00:14] Speaker B: Happy Friday, Michelle. My hair is just like whack today. Been one of those days. [00:00:21] Speaker A: It's either wind tunnel or maybe static electricity or. No, it's, it's that really sexy look like you just walked down the Runway with the fans going. Yeah, we're going to go with that. That's our story. We're sticking to it. All right. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Sounds good for me. You have Asia coming up. What? In a few days. [00:00:39] Speaker A: You're leaving? Yeah. Our flight is at 06:40 a.m. On Monday, which means we have to be at the airport at like 04:00 a.m. On Monday. So, yeah, one of my coworkers lives in Rochester flying with me, so he's coming to my house so he can get my suitcase in my car and then we'll take my car and park it at the airport for the time that we're. But yeah. [00:00:59] Speaker B: How many connecting flights do you have to do? [00:01:02] Speaker A: Two. So we connect in Chicago and then we connect in. Everybody keeps asking me this. I think San Francisco, but maybe LA, California. We connect to California and then it's a straight shot from there over to. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be good. I'm excited. Wow. [00:01:18] Speaker B: So exciting. I will be living vicariously through you and very happy. I won't be on a plane all those hours. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. I do get a little bit of travel anxiety. Not so much being on the plane, but being a plus size disabled person on a plane is very. Until I'm seated and I know that everybody around me is comfortable with me and where I am. And then also not drinking anything on the plane so I don't have to get up and use the bathroom other than that. And once I get there, I'm like, shoo. Okay, we're good. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Little things. Imagine the little things. [00:01:53] Speaker B: It's all good, but it'll be worth it. You're going to see so many old friends, new friends. Everybody's going to be there celebrating you and your new role as executive director. Can I say that here? [00:02:04] Speaker A: You can. [00:02:05] Speaker B: Director of post status. I am so happy for you. I'm not just happy for you, though. I'm happy for all of WordPress because I feel like, well, first of all, you've been kind of executive director. I almost said ed, but then that goes into erectile dysfunction and then my brain just kind of just like stopped right there. [00:02:23] Speaker A: I know maybe I've caused that once or twice in my life. I don't know. No comments. But now we're going to know who really does listen to the show because they're going to be like, oh, Michelle. Oh, my God. I've been doing a lot of the work that Corey has kind of passed on to me over the course of the last few months. And so he's like, hey, I want to really go do something else. Maintain ownership of it. He's still retaining ownership of posttatus. And we do have some partners in there now, like Yoast and Marika and Mike Clonic. And so we're a leadership team. But I have been promoted to the face of post status, so I'm excited about it and just welcome people's connections and all of the above. I'm very excited. Yes. Thank you. [00:03:13] Speaker B: It's good for WordPress. I think it's good for the post status community. I'm excited for you. Anytime your work is recognized is something that I will celebrate. So congratulations. [00:03:28] Speaker A: You are the best. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. And I think the same for you. So I know we're just like the mutual admiration society when we get together, you and me. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. [00:03:39] Speaker A: We support each other. [00:03:40] Speaker B: Stay motivated. [00:03:41] Speaker A: Exactly. Oh, yeah. To bring it back to the podcast title, that is motivating, isn't it? You're so good at that. You must be in marketing. [00:03:51] Speaker B: Something like that. [00:03:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:54] Speaker B: On tv that I'm in marketing. [00:03:58] Speaker A: You and I, by night. [00:04:00] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:04:04] Speaker A: By night. [00:04:07] Speaker B: By night, I am security. I still get all excited about all this security stuff. So I'm like, marketing and all this leadership stuff. I was joking, though, that my black turtleneck that I've been wearing for videos because it's very nondescript, very professional. I don't have to worry about. She's like, all right, record a video. Here's my Steve Jobs shirt. We'll talk about leadership. Put Steve Jobs shirt on. Here we go. [00:04:31] Speaker A: But I feel like you probably put on a black hoodie and work in the dark when you're, like, unhacking websites, right? So that's the look for. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Bit. I don't know. I'm still super into hacker culture and stuff. And I was reading all of these stories about this social engineering thing that happened, where this red team hacker, like a penetration tester, got into this company just by walking in, sat down at a meeting and said, sorry I'm late. Hooked up the laptop to the network, basically hacked everything and then bully was hacking everything, was asking questions in the meeting. Well, would have you considered this? [00:05:12] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Hacking them. But at the same time, sitting in a meeting with an expired visitor's badge that he had gotten out of a garbage can, it was just, like, such a cool story. Holy cow. That's like my alter ego. [00:05:26] Speaker A: Talk about your fake it till you make it. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Goodness, I love stories so much because. [00:05:33] Speaker A: A couple of years ago, there was a story of an artist who. I can't remember where it was. So you all forgive me, but there was a highway where it was very unclear of when you're supposed to change lanes to get off and those kinds of things. And everybody always said, we need a sign there. So this guy went out, took pictures, took measurements when he would drive by, that kind of stuff, and figured out what size the sign should be, what the colors. Like, he did research on what colors are the real colors of that state's signs, and he created a sign that would direct traffic better people needed to have there. He put on, like, he got the outfit, like, the hard hat and the orange vest and the traffic cones, and he got the lifting truck, whatever. The bucket. I don't know words. The bucket truck or whatever. The cherry picker, I think they call them. And he actually installed the sign on the overpass of a busy highway. And for him, it was an art installation to see if he could actually do it. And eventually, the actual traffic control or whatever of that city got wind of it, and we're like, they took it down, but they actually eventually replaced it with a real sign that did the same thing. But he got away with it for a while until people are like, when did that go up? So, yes, I can say, make it, wear the badge, put on the hoodie, whatever it takes. [00:06:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Hacking for good. That's what I think. [00:07:01] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. So we were talking a little bit before about coming from humble beginnings. It's funny because I saw this meme. I don't know, is a meme always funny or is a meme just, like, imagery? I don't know. But there was a photo, and it was like, where Microsoft started. It's a picture of the garage that they worked in. Another one was like, where Amazon started and where Walt Disney started. And it's like this shack or whatever. And I'm like, a lot of us were not born with silver spoons in our mouths. A lot of us did not have the grandiose beginnings, and some of us that were born with less didn't necessarily know it. I was telling you about how I didn't really know we didn't have les growing up. But I look back on it and I was like, damn, I was a teenager before we actually ordered a pizza. Instead of making pizza from a box. I didn't know what real cheese on a pizza tasted like. Oh, no. It was like sawdust cheese out of a little, tear the foil packet open, kind of parmesan, fake parmesan cheese on top of it. And my mom would take like a half a pound or less than that, probably of ground beef and brown it up on the stove and then put that on the pizza and bake up the pizza. And as kids, we were like, that was what pizza was to us. So we thought it was amazing. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:30] Speaker A: And then you go to a friend's house and they're like, oh, you ordered a pizza. You're like, that's not what pizza is supposed to look like. [00:08:37] Speaker B: What is this sorcery? Like, what is this magic? You call someone and they bring you food that's already made and, like, casseroles. [00:08:48] Speaker A: If I make a casserole now, it's got good meat and all the components. When we were growing up, it was hamburger helper. It was like, tear open that box, buy your hamburger, throw it all in a pan. I bought that once as an adult because I had good memories of it as a child. And I was like, this is a skillet full of salt. Like, literally, the whole flavor is just salt. [00:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:13] Speaker A: I think my ankle swelled for like a week after. But humble beginnings are okay. And it's okay not to have everything you want. And it's okay to want more, for sure. And to find ways to build your life to attain those things. [00:09:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:34] Speaker A: Your thoughts? I'm going to drink my tea. I want to hear your humble beginnings. [00:09:37] Speaker B: Yeah, well, my beginnings were kind of weird, so I always thought we were rich. My mom came from very humble. She was the oldest girl of eleven and lived on a farm in a farmhouse that had actual three bedrooms with 13 people living in it. [00:09:58] Speaker A: That's pretty cramped. [00:10:00] Speaker B: She shared a bed with my aunt and of course, the aunt that their entire lives, they hate each other, right? Of course they shared a bed, so that was just like, they're never going to get along. Very humble beginnings. My dad's side of the family, though my grandfather was quite much older. He sold adding machines during the Great Depression. Like, he was born in the 18 hundreds and died the year before I was born. And so he started a business and was very successful, very popular name in town. And so my mom marries up. She thinks, right? [00:10:43] Speaker A: Right. [00:10:43] Speaker B: But that shit crazy. Lots of alcoholism on that side of the family, and so lots of chaos. And my dad was hardly ever home. But I look back at the house we grew up in, and there were one and a half bathrooms. There were me and my two brothers and my mom and dad. And the chaos, I think that was another family member. Took up a lot of space, but it was, like, 1600 square foot house. It was a two bedroom house. When my brother came along, they built on an addition. And then they thought it was going to be a girl and that I was going to room with this new child, but it came out as a boy. And so then I got my brother's room. That was, like, all. Like, it was built for a boy. And so I got the boys room. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Right? [00:11:34] Speaker B: It was crazy. But I always thought we were rich because there was just, like, so much cat. But I thought we were rich. My dad had his own business. He drove a fanciest car. But my mom would get the hand me down crappy car, and there was never any money. So money was how my parents fought. Sorry, mom and dad. If you're watching this, they're probably not down. I don't know. My dad's probably watching gun smoke, and my mom is probably watching some kind of, like, conspiracy video. I don't know. [00:12:09] Speaker A: Well, we know my dad's not watching. [00:12:13] Speaker B: There comes that dark humor again. [00:12:15] Speaker A: Got to love it. [00:12:19] Speaker B: My mom would act for. So we had to do the powdered milk, and she'd serve it to my dad because he would spend all of his money. Like, he'd go out drinking with his friends and spend all the money and lived life the way he wanted. And she stuck home with the kids and mad about it, right? So we would have to drink. I would get mad. I'm like, I'm not drinking powdered milk. It's coming out of a real cow. I don't like this stuff. I don't know what it is. No space age milk. [00:12:47] Speaker A: I'm not drinking it. [00:12:48] Speaker B: And so I'd throw my fit. My dad would then be like, what the heck's wrong with you? Where's the money I get? And so there was wars about money, and so we ate really poor. My mom wouldn't go grocery shopping. She'd go grocery shopping, and then she'd buy all this food, and then we'd all just be like, oh, the only food we've had for, like, two weeks. [00:13:12] Speaker A: Three days later, she's like, where's the food? I bought, right? Yeah. We ate it all because we weren't. [00:13:18] Speaker B: Sure if we were ever going to eat again. And my brothers were eating faster than me, so I wanted to have my cut, right? So it was so chaotic about having resources, but I always thought we were rich. And I look back on it, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. How did I think there was something about me, though? I thought we were rich. I thought we were really rich, but we definitely weren't. And we definitely. The only time we would ever get a pizza, a carry out pizza. There was one place in town that was, like, the best pizza around. Still, I have never had a pizza quite so good. But my dad would bring it home, and he would eat most of it. And if we were lucky, we got the corner pieces that he didn't want. So it was like my dad's life, and then all of us just like, wow, craps. [00:14:12] Speaker A: That pizza smelled good. [00:14:14] Speaker B: And then he'd bring home, like, he loved Dr. Pepper and, like, this really fancy cheese and eskimo pies, and he'd bring those home. My brothers and I were just like, food, Dr. Peppers. Oh, my gosh. So then we'd go and raid his stash, and he would get infuriated at us. But, yeah, it wasn't until I was much older that I realized, like, oh, my gosh. That was like a war of resources. It's really interesting to deal with nothing. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Well, you have to at some points, right? If you don't have anything, you learn to be resourceful. For sure. There are things that, as you get older, you took for truth the whole time you were growing up, and there is a point in time, as an adult, where you go, hey, wait a minute. So let me tell you some of mine. [00:15:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:11] Speaker A: Andy's candies. You know those little, just tiny mint wrapped mints that you get at Olive Garden? Yeah. Okay. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:19] Speaker A: My mother would buy those for herself and tell us they were very expensive, so we only could have one. So she could eat the rest of the box, right. And I don't know how long it took. I don't know if she ate it. [00:15:28] Speaker B: In a day or if she ate. [00:15:29] Speaker A: It over a month. I have no clue. But we weren't allowed to touch the expensive candies. Now, there was a point as an adult when I went to the store, and I was like, I'm going to treat myself today. And I went to the candy aisle, and I was like, oh, I wonder how expensive Andy's candies are. I'm like, dollar 50, or whatever. It was, right. That was just her way of, like, I'm not sharing, right? Or she'd buy chunky because it had raisins in it. We didn't like raisins, so she'd get to eat the whole thing and not have to share with her kids kind of thing. But my favorite story of that moment of realization. I may have told you this story before I was a teenager, before I thought to myself, my dad lied, because when we were kids, kids don't want to eat vegetables. Right? I love vegetables now, and my daughter grew up loving vegetables because I didn't try to tell her she had to eat them. I encouraged her to try things and whatever. Plus, my mother doused everything in butter, which I don't care for. But my dad, when we were little, if we didn't want to eat our broccoli, he'd say, are you kidding me? Do you know that they make chocolate out of broccoli? Do you know where chocolate comes from? It comes from broccoli. I was, like, 14. I was 14, and I was eating broccoli. No, I was in college. We had broccoli. Like, my roommate and I are sitting in the dining hall, and we got broccoli, and I'm like, hey, did you know the chocolate comes from? She goes, what? I go, never mind. [00:17:07] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:17:08] Speaker A: My dad lied. And he also told us that cauliflower tasted like popcorn. So when he tells you that, you think that and you eat it, and, yeah, it looks a little bit like a popcorn kernel. It didn't taste like it, though, but I was convinced it did until about that same time. Yeah. [00:17:30] Speaker B: Too funny, right? [00:17:32] Speaker A: Exactly. My goodness. And then I was telling you this before we started recording, we had our favorite dessert. If somebody said to you, what's your favorite dessert? Like, people say, like, cheesecake or creme brulee or all of these decadent kind of things. Ours was what my mother called butter sugar bread, because she would take a piece of white bread, slather some butter on it, sprinkle some white sugar on it, and be like, here's your dessert. And we would eat it like it was the most amazing food on the planet. And again, I was an adult, and I was like, oh, man, I bet that would taste good today. So I slather some butter on a piece of bread. I douse it in the white sprinkled. Sprinkle the white sugar on it. I took a bite, and I was like, why am I eating congealed butter? That first bite was enough to convince me that I don't want this. I don't want this. I threw that piece away. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I've kind of got this attitude now that every calorie has got to fight for its life. In my world. [00:18:40] Speaker A: There must be a purpose. [00:18:42] Speaker B: There must be a purpose to it. At this point, I am not going to waste my. It's got to be good. It's got to either give me pleasure or it's got to have some kind of nutrient that I need. But no, I can't even eat fast food anymore. It's just like, well, first of all, have you seen the prices of fast food? It's ridiculous. Now it is. And so there's nothing that I can't go through, like a drive through, and say, okay, that's worth it to me. Like, no. Although every year, once, I do get a shamrock shake. [00:19:16] Speaker A: This time of year, do you ever ask them to do half chocolate, half shamrock shake? [00:19:21] Speaker B: Oh, no. Is that a thing? [00:19:24] Speaker A: Most places will do it. And then you stir it with your straw and it's like mint chocolate. [00:19:29] Speaker B: Like the Andes candies. [00:19:33] Speaker A: Well, now you ruined that for me. Now I'm kidding. [00:19:38] Speaker B: You should bring one to your mom and just say, you know, remember those, Andy's candies? Well, I was thinking about you. Exactly. [00:19:47] Speaker A: And the thing is, you could look back and you could say, my parents lied. Right? Like at 18 years old, when I realized that chocolate was not made from broccoli, I was like, my dad lied to me. But now that I'm an adult and I've raised a child of my own who's an adult, I think back, and I think my parents were being resourceful. They were making do with what they had and making sure their kids felt like they were loved and that they felt like they were treated and supplied. Provided for, supplied to think of words, provided for and all of those kinds of things. And I think of the little white lies like that that I told my daughter growing up. I didn't do much of that because I really wanted her to make her own decisions growing. You know, there were things that I would say to her that. Or give her permission to. Like, I think I told you before, she would come to me and she'd be on the phone. Remember when we had phones plugged into the wall? So she would come to me on the phone and she'd say, mom, can I go to Katie's house? I think I told you that, right? Could go to Katie's house for overnight. Katie invited me overnight. But she'd be shaking her head no. Like, please say no. Please say no. And I'd be like, oh, sorry, Lydia, I really need you. First thing in the, you know, you can't go tonight kind of, yeah, sometimes little white lies are okay, I guess, in those kind of situations when they really are. To not hurt a person like that. But humble beginnings, man. [00:21:15] Speaker B: Humble beginnings. Yeah. Chaotic beginnings. I'm kind of shocked, I don't know, that I came out the way I did, I guess. Oh, years of therapy too, but learned a lot. [00:21:33] Speaker A: Here we sit like, as productive citizens of the United States and not in prison. So, I mean, there's something to be said for. [00:21:45] Speaker B: Learn things. Had to learn things too young, I think. But, yeah, obviously prices of a lot of things have gone up and wages haven't. In a lot of cases where people are having to kind of learn that the american dream isn't exactly what has been sold to them and that they have to go through that and learn ways of making do with less or making do with learning how to grow their own food, having to find some inner resourcefulness. And I think that's good. Like, my kids, they come up with hair brained ideas, like lots of, hey, I'm going to start this online business. We've gone through about 4000 of those and every single one of them, I'm like, yes, you can do it. [00:22:44] Speaker A: You can do it. [00:22:45] Speaker B: Here's WordPress. [00:22:46] Speaker A: What's this? [00:22:46] Speaker B: Customizer? Yeah, all the same things. [00:22:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. My daughter's never logged into her WordPress website, by the way. Yeah. Really? [00:22:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I figured they should learn this stuff. I think it's important, right. And so I'm not going to do it for them. If they want to start an online business, you've got to figure out all the hard stuff and marketing and all of this stuff. And it creates resourcefulness, it creates an ability to say, I can do this, to set a goal and say, I'm going to make this happen no matter what. And when you don't think you can do it, when you don't think you're going to have the resources to put food on the table, to be able to find out that you can and that there is abundance in this world and you can go a night without having a big, huge dinner and that it's going to be pasta and peas for a couple of nights. Plenty of times I've done that, my son, because when we lived in Shafta, we lived very close to nature and very much homesteady type of thing. My son is like mortified that we drank out of Mason jars like, that's his big thing. Because now he lives in Minnesota and he's like, I thought it was just like, that's what people did. And I do that. My friends make fun of me. Why did we do that? And I'm like, because they were there and that's what we had. If I get a mason jar and wash it out, recycle it, throw it in the cabinet and it's a glass. [00:24:16] Speaker A: No, it's trendy, actually. At least it was three years ago. [00:24:20] Speaker B: That's what I was trying to say. It's shabby chic, right? [00:24:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:25] Speaker B: My son is mortified that we drink out of Mason jars. [00:24:29] Speaker A: Well, just tell him it's better than. [00:24:32] Speaker B: A red solo cup. [00:24:33] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:24:35] Speaker B: At least you had water. [00:24:38] Speaker A: We had to drink from the hose and it tasted like heat and rubber. [00:24:43] Speaker B: It did. And somehow we survived. This is why when there's a nuclear war, Gen Xers are going to be the ones sticking around and all the rest. [00:24:51] Speaker A: We are the original latchkey kids. [00:24:54] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Totally. Oh, my gosh. So much. [00:24:58] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. But I don't know. I have now, I'm not saying I'm rich, because I'm not, but I don't struggle like I did when my daughter was younger, trying to figure out how to pay a bill or am I going to have money to grocery shop this week and things like that. And I'm grateful for the resourcefulness that my parents taught me when I was younger because it did get me through tough times. And there's nothing to say that another week or two I couldn't be back in tough times. Like, you just never know, right? I'm not suggesting that I'm going to lose my job. I am not. But we've seen so many people get laid off over the last year and a half that have gone from a place of abundance to searching for jobs and having to be resourceful. And I feel just grateful that I grew up learning that resourcefulness so that if I'm ever in that situation again, I know how to make do with pasta and peas. And I don't even like peas, so for me, it would be something else. But that's the whole idea, right? Like, I have eaten my fair share of tuna sandwiches, peanut butter and jelly. I've had my fair share of Mac and cheese from a box, powdered milk. We grew up with it, too. All of those things that you just wonder. You look back on it now and I had almost forgotten some of it. And then to drag that back up into my brain and think, like I said, you could be mad that your parents lied to you all those years or whatever, or you could just be grateful that they were still providing for you and teaching you that it's okay not to have. Like, my daughter didn't have a game Boy. Every one of her friends growing up had a game Boy. She's never once said to me, why didn't you get me a game Boy? Because she knew I didn't have the resources as a single mom to provide dinner, pay for dance classes and get a game Boy. But I will tell you, you do. And it's funny. Somebody asked yesterday online, have you ever bartered web services, like web design for anything? And I forgot about the dance classes, but I've bartered for massage. I've bartered for catering. I've bartered for cookies and food and that kind of stuff. And I've bartered with restaurants for gift certificates. I have bartered like crazy. And then I just remember my very first website ever. One of them. I built a website and I sat at the desk of the dance school so my daughter could take dance classes. And all I have to pay for that year was her dance costumes. And even that was a stretch for me. Right. But you do what you have to to provide for the people that you want to provide for. And we have resourceful kids because of it. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Yeah, both of my kids are extremely resourceful and very aware of what it takes in order to make a dollar. [00:27:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, they'll probably go to therapy and complain about us. They'll go to therapy and play out of us. [00:28:01] Speaker B: I told them when they were younger, I said, if you're not in therapy by the time you're 18, I've done something wrong. I expect to screw up somehow because that's what parents do. If I give you too much, then you're going to go to therapy. If I don't give you enough, you're going to go to therapy. There's no middle ground. Just go to therapy. It's a good thing. Now my son is like, I think. [00:28:23] Speaker A: He'S going to grow up to be. [00:28:24] Speaker B: A therapist because he's so good at, like, okay, now imagine the emotion is not inside of you, but it's outside of you. What does it look like? [00:28:33] Speaker A: I'm like, where is that coming from? [00:28:36] Speaker B: It's coming from the therapy that he had to go through that he's figured out, like, coping mechanisms for dealing with difficult emotions. So if I'm going through stuff, he pulls out the therapy card on me and is just like, now, where is this emotion? And just like, it's going to be like, in your face if you say, after you try to do therapy on me right now, just let me be mad. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Let me tell you a funny anecdote. So my daughter, at some point when she was a teen, is when the Gilmore girls came out, and she's like, mom, I think that you and I, we're Lorelai and Rory. And I was like, that is so sweet, because we had a close relationship, whatever. And then last year, I watched everything everywhere all at once, and I was like, oh, that's how I fucked her up. We're both. We are Lorelai and Rory and also this person who's just, like, raging against her mother because of whatever it was that I did. So there is no perfect parent, and you can look back and see all the good and all the bad and hope that you still have a decent relationship in spite of the buttersugar bread and the appian way, pizza in a. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Box and the fake milk. Yeah, we survived. [00:29:47] Speaker A: And the koolaid that never had quite enough sugar in it, so it was always just a little bit bitter. My friends moms would make Koolaid, and it was the Canister that was already pre sugared, and they'd measure it out. It was super sweet. Ours was the packets you tore open and you had to add your own sugar to, which meant never quite enough. You know, we still drank, lived. Oh, fun stuff. Fun stuff so much. Anyway, so next week, I get to try food that I've never tried before when I'm in Taiwan and Taipei, and I'm really looking forward to it. Boba tea, I guess, is originated there. So Shusay Toda said, we got to sit down and have some boba together. I was like, I would love that. I'll let you order for me because I have no clue what I'm doing over there. Not really looking forward to it. And when I asked Lydia what did she want me to bring back for her, her answer is always, candy. She wanted thai candy. She bought candy in Greece. She wants candy from. So, June in a meeting this morning for WP accessibility day, I was telling her that, and she oh, it's make sure you get Kit Kats. They have the weirdest flavors of Kit Kats over there because she used to live there, she said, and anything cherry blossom flavor. I said, all right. [00:31:01] Speaker B: That's what do fun. [00:31:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm excited. It'll be good. I am, too. [00:31:07] Speaker B: To follow along. You're going to have a great time. I'm so glad. [00:31:09] Speaker A: I'll be posting pictures. Thank you. [00:31:11] Speaker B: You're speaking, right? [00:31:12] Speaker A: I am speaking. I'm speaking opposite Tim Ferriss. So I will be speaking to a mostly empty room. That's okay. I am really looking forward. I joke. I'm sure there will be people sitting in my room, but I'm sad to miss his talk. But I'll be able to see everything on WordPress TV at some point, so that's okay. [00:31:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:32] Speaker A: Cool. [00:31:33] Speaker B: Well, I hope you have a great time. [00:31:36] Speaker A: Thank you. And for everybody else, yeah, we won't have a recording next week because even if were going to try to record, we're going to be like opposite times of the day while I'm gone. So we'll skip a week and we'll see y'all the next week after that. But yeah, thanks for listening to us laugh. We had a lot of fun today. Bye bye. This has been WP motivate with Kathy Zant and Michelle freshette. To learn more or to sponsor us, go to wpmotivate.com.